The Subject of the Original Sin is a common one with Christians. This is where they think the evil that is in our world came from. However if you actually look at the story that is written in the bible this idea is full of more holes than swiss cheese.
Common Misconceptions about the Original Sin Story:
1. Adam & Eve were Israelites
2. God gave people Freewill
3. The Serpent lied
4. Eve ate an Apple
5. Prior to the “Fall” there was no evil
6. The Original Sin was atoned for by Jesus dying on the Cross
Each one of those is a flat-out Lie & go against what is actually written in the bible. I understand most Christians are simply what I call Pew warmers. They do not read their bible let alone study it. Instead they just warm the Pews of a Church with their ass once or twice a week and swallow the bullshit that is spoon fed to them by the Preacher / Minister.
As anyone that has followed what I write would no doubt know I have over 23 years of Research into Theology, Science, Metaphysics, Sociology, etc. For me this isn’t a matter of Faith but one of knowing what the Facts are.
My research has also taken me into areas that dwarf anything mentioned in the bible or any religious text. I have never been one to sit back and swallow the bullshit people try to feed others. I am a seeker of truth not a follower of fables.
The First misconception is one that is based on assumptions people make since the bible God states the Israelites were his chosen people so people just assume Adam & Eve would’ve been the first Israelites. This is false.
The oldest Culture we have record of are the Sumerians. Where they lived was an area called Sumer which became known as Babylon & is now called Iraq.
The Garden of Eden story was Sumerian not an Israelite one. The Story of the Epic of Creation was originally written in the Enuma Elish.
A Short Version is here
A longer Version is Here
In Both this is a Sumerian story not an Israelite one. In fact the word Israelite comes from the name is 3 Gods. 1 Female & 2 male.
This is why Israel is spelled as it is. Is is from Isis an Egyptian Goddess. Ra is also Egyptian. Ra was the Sun God. El was Canaanite. El was the supreme Deity.
The Connection to Egyptian Gods doesn’t end there. In fact Every Christian when they say Amen is Praying to an Egyptian God. Amen Ra / Amon Ra. The fact that the vast majority of Christians are completely ignorant of this fact doesn’t lessen the truth of it.
The Second & Third Misconceptions are so Closely connected that I will cover them together. The First thing to note is the word Freewill doesn’t appear in the Original Sin Story. This is not the only occurrence of a word not even being in the story but part of the Church told myth. Another example is the word Sin. The word Sin doesn’t appear once in the entire story of the Original Sin.
Doesn’t that strike you as mildly strange that a story about Sin wouldn’t contain at least one reference to Sin? It isn’t until Genesis 4:7 that the word Sin first appears. This is not even in reference to this story but to the Cain & Able story.
As a bit of a side note the word Sin is the Hebrew word
H2398; an offence (sometimes habitual sinfulness), and its penalty, occasion, sacrifice, or expiation; also (concretely) an offender: – punishment (of sin), purifying (-fication for sin), sin (-ner, offering).
A primitive root; properly to miss; hence (figuratively and generally) to sin; by inference to forfeit, lack, expiate, repent, (causatively) lead astray, condemn: – bear the blame, cleanse, commit [sin], by fault, harm he hath done, loss, miss, (make) offend (-er), offer for sin, purge, purify (self), make reconciliation, (cause, make) sin (-ful, -ness), trespassive
Nowhere in either definition does it specifically refer to the Adam & Eve Fall Story. While the word Freewill is another very interesting word which doesn’t appear in this story.
The First occurrence of the word Freewill is in Leviticus 22:18
An interesting fact regarding Freewill is that word only occurs 17 Times in the entire bible and not once in the New Testament. Plus in 16 of those 17 times it is always followed by the same word. Offering.
Clearly the Freewill of the bible is not Freewill as we think of it in our society. Instead it is in Offerings to the Gods. And Yes I typed that correctly the word God in the Hebrew is the word
H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: – angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
All cases of the word God come up as the Plural form which is Elohim. Which means God is a mistranslation and it should be Gods!
(The second form is rare); probably prolonged (emphatically) from
H410; a deity or the deity: – God, god. See H430.
As you can see there are other Hebrew words that are connected to it as well but I am not going to list all of them for the sake of time. It also wouldn’t change the meaning of the original word or the mistranslation. It is simply something you can check out if you are interested in a deeper study. If you are interested I would suggest downloading the Esword bible and doing the research yourself.
The link to download it is on the right hand side.
This is the bible I have on my computer and what I use when I write or talk to people online. Yes I am an Atheist but I will do far more to give you the best study tools of the bible then nearly any Preacher would. I say nearly because there may be one out there that would that I don’t know about and some Christians would jump on any generalization to try to discredit the whole subject.
However back to the Original Sin Bullshit.
As I had said the story in Genesis 2 & 3 has nothing to do with Freewill or Sin. And in fact there is a bit of a game I call, Find The Liar. That I will show for you.
I term it a Game because Christians are told in Church that the Liar was the Serpent. However this Game is not based on Church Dogma but on what is actually Written. In this Game the object is as it is written figure out Who Lied. The Answer to this will be found In the story itself!
First we have God speaking in Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
In this Verse the God is making 1 Statement & 1 Threat.
The Statement from this God is “But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it:”
The Threat from this God is “for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
Then we have the Serpent. Christian Preachers will lie and say the Serpent was Satan. This is Church Dogma not Biblical. The word Serpent is the Hebrew word
H5172; a snake (from its hiss): – serpent.
While H 5172 is
A primitive root; properly to hiss, that is, whisper a (magic) spell; generally to prognosticate: – X certainly, divine, enchanter, (use) X enchantment, learn by experience, X indeed, diligently observe.
So based strictly on the bible story we have a Magical Snake! The Reason for the Serpent aspect is one I will get into at a later time. But rest assured it has Nothing to do with Satan, The Devil, or Lucifer.
In Genesis 3:4 – 5 the Serpent (The Magical Snake) giving his side. Here is that in Full.
Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Genesis 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
In that there are 3 Statements from the Serpent. The Magical talking Snake.
Statement 1 Ye shall not surely die:
Statement 2 in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened.
Statement 3 ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
So God only has One Statement and the Magical Snake has Three. Let’s see who the liar is.
Genesis 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened
Wow Imagine that in one verse two of the Three Statements of the Serpent were proven true.
1. They did not die. (Would’ve been a very short bible if they had)
2. And their Eyes were opened. Exactly what the Serpent said would happen.
So what about that third. That can’t be proven true as well.
Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Yet that is exactly what is written!
In this story the Liar is God! What is also important to note is at no time did the Serpent Threaten Eve in any way. But the God did. The use of Threats / Scare Tactics is something which is a common aspect of the bible Gods nature.
I would contend that it is Evil to have to resort to Threats / Scare Tactics. When you look at the actions of the bible God as a whole one thing which becomes clear is the Nasty Temper this God has. As well as the Loathing / Contempt for Humans. Which would raise the question could the Evil figure actually be the God which is claiming to be the Good one. While the Good figure being the one that steps in only to plant the seed of Freewill.
After all in order to be able to make a choice between Good & Evil one must know what Good & Evil are. If you have no basis for understanding the difference between Good & Evil then all you have is Stimulus Response. You don’t really have Freewill.
Which means the Original Sin Christians babble about is the Freewill they think their God gave them but really their God said Freewill was Forbidden! After all someone who views another as a Slave wouldn’t want that Slave to have Freewill. But would want to keep that Slave as Stupid as possible.
Is it any wonder that IQ tests show those with the higher IQ tend to be Atheists / Free Thinkers. While the lower the IQ the more Religious & Superstitious people are!
The Fourth Misconception was about the Apple claim that is common in churches but the word Apple doesn’t appear until the book of Deuteronomy.
The Firth Misconception was that there was no Evil before the fall. This is false based on simply Logic. Good & Evil had to both exist because they are part of the dualistic aspect of the Universe.
Good & Evil, Right & Wrong, White & Black, Day & Night, Up & Down, In & Out, Male & Female, etc. They are also aspects of Cause & Effect.
Additionally if there was No Evil then eating of a Tree wouldn’t give you knowledge of something that didn’t exist. Evil wasn’t born with a Human eating from a Tree of Knowledge. If it would’ve been then Humans would’ve brought Evil into existence. But the bible says God created Evil.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
The Sixth Misconception is one Christians have. That being that Jesus could pay for their Sins. This is completely impossible for multiple reasons.
1. The Ritual for the sacrificial Lamb is laid out very clearly in the Old Testament. This Lamb or Sheep must be killed by a Priest!
2. The Throat of the animal is to be cut and the blood put on the door.
3. The body of the animal is to be eaten!
None of this was done with the Jesus Figure!
To add further insult to Christian Stupidity there is Proverbs 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.
This is Christianity through & through!
(He that justifieth the wicked)
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
(he that condemneth the just)
Matthew 27:4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.
(even they both are abomination to the LORD)
Christians how do you get that which is an Abomination to your God being the very thing that was his Grand plan for Saving Humanity? If all it took was a Human Sacrifice why didn’t this God do that from the start?
Especially since as it is written in Romans 3:28 that is it by Faith and working of the Law. So you can Rape, Kill, Lie, Steal, Murder, etc so long as you Believe You are Saved! Where does that show you are Moral?
And lastly a word about Prayer.
I hear this all the time from Christians and honestly this is something that disgusts me to no end. Let me Spell this out for you real Fucking Clear. Do Not Pray For Me!
I do not want your Christian VOODOO or Attempts at Casting a Jesus Spell to be directed at me! I do not care what your intent is. If you want to Pray that I think like you then are you not trying to Subvert my Freewill to being as You would want?
You do not have the Right to try to Force your Prayers on me!
I am Damn Tempted to start Praying to Satan for You! How would You like that!
I wouldn’t Ask you but I would Tell You I am! That there is Nothing You Can Do about it! Would You like that? I have Theistic Satanist Friends that I could ask that they do this and I am sure they would.
In Magic terms to Force Your Will on someone else is called Black Magick. And that is Exactly what you Christians are doing when you Decide on your own that You are Praying For me!
Perhaps I should get my Satanist Friends to Say a Satanic Prayer for You!
See how You Like It!
When I first looked into Satanism after walking away from Christianity I read the Satanic Bible by Anton LaVey. Even though I agreed with much of what he was saying I quickly realized this was simply Atheism in Devil Clothes. What I now call Atheists playing Dress Up. While this may have an appeal for the teenager that is rebelling from a Christian upbringing as far as something to maintain for any length of time is not only silly but down right stupid.
It had only taken me about 6 Months to realize that the COS (Church of Satan) was Atheists in Devil clothes and I simply knew if I was going to be an Atheist I would simply be an Atheist not one that was playing dress up to scare the hell out of the Christians. It is one thing for a person to use the label of Satanist for shock value with Christians. It is completely different to use that label as a means of trying to make money on something you really don’t believe. This makes people like Sin Jones no damn different then the Evangelists that only use the God shit to try and make money on the gullible masses.
There are core elements of Satanism that the Atheist would regard as simply bullshit. Some of those are:
Since Atheism is simply a rejection of all Gods as there is no Evidence to support the existence of any Gods. It is absolutely incapable with any religion that claims to be based on a God / Deity of any kind. For an Atheist to say as Sin Jones did with me that She was the Devil. An idea I had first seen in her FAQ’s and laughed at the very notion, pointing out that worshiping yourself is a type of Narcissism. Then to have her comment on some of my Facebook posts and actually say about being the Devil. I couldn’t help but point out that this type of thing is a clear sign of someone suffering from Grandiose Delusional Disorder.
Frankly it shouldn’t surprise anyone that an Atheist would point out the Delusional Disorder of someones outrageous claims. For me what made this even funnier was the fact that Sin Jones claims to also be an Atheist. Now picture this. She claims to be an Atheist and yet she also says she is a Satanist. While I have said that I an an Atheist / Anti Theist. What an Anti Theist is quite simply is this: Not only do I see no evidence for any God. I feel it is a damn good thing there is no evidence or logical reason to believe any God exists. After all who among us would want to live forever in a celestial North Korea?
The entire basis of what is termed Modern Satanism is really nothing short of playing So-called Satanic games. It is a desire to be going for Shock value nothing more and nothing less. There is no basis for a Historical Satan just as there is no basis for a Historical God. Add to that the ideas of what this Satan would be like come directly from Christian / Islamic Bullshit. There is Zero evidence to support the existence of the Christian or Islamic Satan / Iblis. So the ideas of Satan / The Devil / Lucifer / Iblis being a Man with red skin, Horns, Cloven Hooves & a Pitch Fork are cultural bullshit. The Half goat aspect actually came from when the Christians invaded Pagan areas and noticed those people worshiped Pan. So the Christians took the image of Pan and turned that into the Devil. After all the biggest thing Christians do when they want to convert someone from another religion is to demonize the God of that religion. Since it is not the Christian God then it is the Devil.
While the Pentagram is simply the Pagan Pentacle Reversed. The 5 points on the Pentacle have specific meanings.
The Inverting of symbols is really a Joke. In fact the Upside down Cross is not a symbol of Satanism but the Catholic Religion.
If you are going to try and use symbolism you really should know what it means. Just turning a symbol upside down doesn’t magically make it the reverse meaning. After all what this clearly shows is a serious lack of creativity to have to copy other religions symbols.
The cultural ideas regarding Satan, the Devil & Lucifer are all based on the Abrahamic Religions. Primarily Christianity but Islam does give basically the same bullshit ideas. These ideas regarding a Satan are bullshit because they are coming from obviously bias sources. It would be like someone listening only to Republicans about what Democrats are like and about. Simple logic should tell you that one group will paint their opposite group as being negative.
It is for this reason more than any that people need to learn to think for themselves. To base your opinion of someone on the words of someone else is asking to be played for a fool. In our society we have access to both sides of an argument / debate. When electing a president we get to hear what both sides are about and we can make our decision based on all available information. In the case of Religion we are given only one side of the story. There simply is no Word of Satan book / bible that people could look at for what that character would be in favor of or advocate for. All we really have is speculation from people about what a Satan would be like.
In many ways those ideas are based on either Christian / Muslim bullshit or poets like Dante or Milton. If anyone seriously thinks that this is what a Satan would actually be like I would ask what is the basis of this assumption? To be well it is what is in the Bible or Qur’an I would point out neither of these can be considered proof of a God or a Satan since they are that which is making the claim. It would be like looking to Star Wars Movies to prove the existence of the character of Darth Vader or Yoda. Of course that story is going to paint the one to be good and the other evil. However let’s be realistic. In reality there is no all good or all evil person.
Each of us are a combination of both good and evil. We have the potential to do both. Yet when it comes to the deities you religious people want to act like your deity of choice is good and the other is evil. Assuming deities would exist all of you are completely full of shit. What is most logical is that the deity figures would be a mixture of good and evil just as we are. Especially if you buy into this shit of we were made in the image of this deity.
There can be no denying that the Abrahamic God is a brutal figure. Killing over 2.3 Million not counting the two cases of Genocide & the slaughtering of all first-born children. Then if you take the Christian idea this God that could do anything made as his only plan to forgive people being the Human Sacrifice of his kid. Exactly what kind of monster acts like this? Yet this is what you people call the All Good God. Clearly you people have bumped your head if you think one can engage in shit like that and still be all good.
Then to use that same Religion that excuses the mass Murder of their God, Genocide, Infanticide, Rape, Human Sacrifice, just to name a few. Plus the Extortion, Manipulation, Thought Crime & Scapegoating of the Jesus & Salvation idea. If you are letting these assholes dictate what the Satan figure is like then clearly you have bumped your head just as hard as they have. Do none of you stop and think maybe someone is lying to you about what this Satan would be like?
Even going with the idea that Satan means Adversary. Ok Fine stop and think about this for five fucking seconds. By the Christians own admission their God did the above mentioned acts. Now a being that would be an adversary to one that acts as the Christian God does. That one could actually be a nice guy. It makes no damn sense to think this Satan would be acting like a total jackass or wanting you morons to go running around being complete shitballs.
What it seems like is some people want to use the label of Satanist to try to excuse the fact that they personally are assholes that can’t function in a civilized society. They want others to bow and scrape before them demanding they be addressed with bullshit titles they make up. All so they can stroke their fucking ego and have some delusional idea that they are the only True Satanist or Preacher or Grand Pooba. If this isn’t a steaming pile of bullshit I ask you what the flying fuck is.
Honestly the ideas regarding Satan need to be examined. Upon what basis does a Satanist base their ideas of what a Satan would be like? If you have no real basis for defining what this Satan would be like then how the fuck do you know it would like you? Shit how do you know it wouldn’t regard you as a total dickweed? Especially if all you can do are childish Show & Tell games or Playing Dress Up to be See how Evil & Sinister I am. Add to that if all you can do is mindlessly attack people for saying things you personally don’t like and you want to act as if you speak for Satan. Well then you are clearly someone who needs the men in white coats and a few dozen electroshock treatments.
You can wipe your ass with your personal ideas of what a God or Satan would want. Those ideas are based on how you value things. Not on how some mystical deity would. Especially if that being is an Alien race that is more advanced than us or some other dimensional being. Either way why the flying fuck should it give a rats furry ass about what you want or think? Who exactly are you in the grand scheme of things?
Yes I am an Atheist and as such I don’t buy into the whole Gods idea. But if such would exist what possible reason or motive would it have for taking a personal interest in yours or anyone’s life? Especially given the fact that in all of human history we have no evidence of any God actually doing a fucking thing to help anyone. Given the track record of no activity from any God then even if such would exist do you seriously think it gives much of a shit what we think?
Just something for you to think about.
In the world of Reverse Christian Satanism it is clear that they think the only thing they must do to be valid is fill out paperwork with the IRS. Well I have News for you Gino, Alison Jones,, Robert Fraize and the rest of you dim wits. The paperwork filed with the government is only for the 501 C3 status. The Non Profit Organization. It doesn’t magically give you a valid position / doctrine..
Gino you and your dim wit friends clearly think this is Kindergarten and playing Show & Tell is some great activity. However this Show & Tell bullshit is really a non issue. The only ones that have a legal right to demand anyone produce the proper documents is the IRS or other government agencies. Since you and you ilk are not government employees. Especially you given the fact you have never worked an actual job in your life. None of you have any reason to try demanding anything.
All your babbling about means is you have no real message or even point. If you actually think Tom or anyone has done or is doing something that is criminal then why are you wasting your time online bullshit and not talking to the police? However one thing you should be aware of if you are not already is making False accusations against someone can result in You being guilty of Slander. Which Gino is a punishable offense in the courts. Do you people really want to play hardball? If so I would seriously advise you to watch what False accusations you make against others because they could turn around and file a lawsuit against you, Alison Jones, Robert Fraize or anyone else that is making false Slanderous remarks online.
Typically Slander is very hard to prove but since you people are making videos and posting written personal attacks at people it would actually be exceptionally easy to compile the evidence of your slander. After all Evidence is what matters not what silly ideas you have.
As far as your Satanism claims my biggest question to you is upon what basis do you define what Satan is? If you are going by the Christian ideas regarding a Satan then you are simply a Reverse Christian. If you are going by the ideas of Anton LaVey that have Satan as a metaphor & you are your own god then you are really an Atheist that is playing Dress Up in Halloween costumes all the time. Outlining the basis of your beliefs / doctrine is far more important to a Church then playing Show & Tell with Legal documents.
After all what will determine if people are interested in what you are pushing isn’t your IRS documents but your message / doctrine. If you have no clear message / doctrine then really your IRS paperwork is pointless.
In my last word Press on Alison Lee Jones (AKA Sin Jones) I went after her Frequently Asked Questions crap. I don’t give a rats ass who wrote those questions or if they were Frequently asked by anyone real.. For all I know they were complete Bullshit that was written by Alison Lee Jones to try to give her validity. Although they don’t do anything but show how she didn’t really grasp the concepts she was trying to talk about. The biggest of this being the one on Evil. Contradicting yourself is a clear sign that you do not know what you are talking about. There is also the last question of As an Atheist do you believe in anything. This one was so completely moronic that I can only assume Alison or an ignorant Reverse Christian came up with it. Atheism is not a rejection or disbelief in everything. It is only the rejection / disbelief in all Gods!
I have looked through the blog posts of Alison Jones and frankly I don’t see any original content that is worth a damn. Honestly I am quite confused as to how stupid anyone can be to actually want to be part of a Cult of cthulhu a Fictional Character made up by HP Lovecraft. What’s next are you idiots going to make the Cult of the Borg or the Cult of Darth Vader? You might as well both of them are as real as cthulhu.
If you people want to sit and have your Reverse Christian circle jerk I really don’t give a fuck. Honestly I feel Tom and all Real Satanists should simply ignore your babblings. At most they should keep a record of your videos, blogs & activities like using a position of Trust as an Admin to in effect commit a type of Theft. Then to lie and claim you wrote anything is further proof of your inability to operate within the legal & ethical standards of an organization. In effect giving you the rope by which you will hang yourself.
The only things that need to be addressed are the message of someone who is following a Religion. The personal attack crap is really childish and not an issue that anyone with even two working brain cells would care about. Simply put you do not see Politicians or Public speakers doing the personal attack shit as their entire argument. They address the issues and not bullshit. By engaging in bullshit you are showing you have Nothing otherwise you wouldn’t be wasting your time on bullshit. You would be addressing actual issues. However none of you have done that yet. Frankly I think such behavior is simply to Adult for you.
In the real world a Lawsuit is rarely filed to simply get someone to stop activity. If a lawsuit is brought there is a Monetary impact. Considering you don’t have a pot to piss in or window to throw it out of you should seriously think about do you really want to play stupid fucking games. Honestly I would say Tom should wait until you do enough to file a lawsuit and financially ruin you for life. After all do you seriously think a Satanist would have a second thought about rendering you Homeless in the gutter?