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An All Knowing God & Freewill


If you are at all logical like I am the title of this should seem like an Oxy Moron.   (Contradiction of Terms)  However when one is dealing with Christians one thing that must be expected is to hear the utterly absurd touted as if it is completely sane.

Even if a God exists and is All Knowing than the ideas we have of Freewill are really an Illusion we have because we are not All Knowing.  To something that is All Knowing there can be Nothing that it doesn’t know.  Hence the word All.  If a God would be limited to only knowing what Might happen or could happen than it would really be no different then us and it wouldn’t be a God.

It is completely inconsistent to say in one breath, as Christians and their stupid bible does, that God is All Knowing and then gets angry or jealous at anything.  These are qualities that are completely incompatible and hence making this God completely Impossible.

Let’s say for example that You are married and You know that after being married for 5 years, 6 Months, 21 Days that your spouse is going to have an affair with a Co worker.  You know this will happen and nothing can change it happening otherwise you would know that too.  Given this complete foreknowledge of what will occur would you really be able to be angry or jealous from this happening?

I contend you would not be capable of having any emotional reaction to it since you would’ve known it would happen for 5 Years, 6 Months, 21 Days.  Any emotional reaction would’ve been there when you first knew it would happen.  By the time it actually did happen you would have reached a point of acceptance of what is.  Especially if you also know that after this event your Spouse will be killed in a car accident on their way home.

The knowledge of the events that will occur means existence is like a painting.  The picture is complete and can’t be changed.  It is what it is.  Like it or not that is how that picture looks. 

If such a being would have this type of knowledge then I contend it would be devoid of emotion regarding anything that would occur.  That it would know the tragedies as well as the triumphs.   So the idea of anyone not living up to the standard of this being (God for lack of a better term) would be as stupid as someone saying to an Ant or an Inchworm that they are not living up to Human Standards.  Of course the Ant or Inchworm will not live up to Human standards.  The Human standards are beyond the comprehension of the Ant or Inchworm.  So why bully the Ant or Inchworm for being limited in what they can achieve because of where they happen to be in their process of Evolution?

Yet this very thing is what the bible God is doing and has done for thousands of years according to the Religions of the world.   Worst of all the religious will bend over backwards to defend this completely insane thought process.

The Religious take this stupidity even further when they try to Pray to change events.  If this God is All Knowing then it would have Known the events that would occur.  It would also know that these people were going to Pray and Sacrifice shit and try to do all kinds of crap to change the events that it knew was going to happen from the beginning.

Since this God knew the events that would occur as well as the prayers about it and that none of those prayers would be answered.  Then what exactly was the point in praying in the first place?  Nothing could change it because the God which is All Knowing knew what events would unfold.  There is simply no way around this.

To claim as i have heard some Christians try to say that God turns off his all knowingness is so utterly moronic I can’t help but laugh at it.  This would be like saying that you could choose to not know something. 

I have joked with my Girlfriend about this when at the store I pick up a dozen roses and I say to her, “Now turn off your All Knowingness so this will be a surprise.”

For someone to actually say this and not be being completely sarcastic would mean they are out of their fucking mind.  You simply can’t unknow something that you know.  It is as stupid as people who say to someone who said something nasty or insulting, “Take that back”

What is the person supposed to invent a time machine right there and go back in time so they don’t say what you don’t want?  Or what are they to suck the words back into their mouth? 

You can’t Un anything.  Once you say or do something it is done.  No amount of wanting to change it can make it not have happened.  Even if the person says they take it back the memory of it having happened is still there.  It did happen and there simply is no changing it.

This doesn’t mean we can’t learn from things that happen.  We can and we must.  However we can’t make that event not have happened. 

If a God exists our Freewill is an Illusion that we have but the idea of that God being demanding we think a certain way is completely moronic.  After all if it is All Knowing then it would know All of what we would think and do.  So the religion or lack there of with anyone would be completely meaningless to such a being.

 This is why when Christians try and resort to the God being a Cosmic Force behind the Universe that they are really pissing on their own feet.  The Personal interest in the life of any human is completely inconsistant with something that has a complete knowledge of everything that will occur.  It would also mean that this God / Force would know the Atheist as well as the Believer as well as they know themself if not better then they know themself.

It would know the exact reasons why the person believes or not in their existence and since it would’ve known this for eons then it wouldn’t be a surprise or offense in any way!

 

The Original Sin Is Freewill


The Subject of the Original Sin is a common one with Christians.  This is where they think the evil that is in our world came from.  However if you actually look at the story that is written in the bible this idea is full of more holes than swiss cheese.

Common Misconceptions about the Original Sin Story:

1.  Adam & Eve were Israelites

2.  God gave people Freewill

3.  The Serpent lied

4.  Eve ate an Apple

5.  Prior to the “Fall” there was no evil

6.  The Original Sin was atoned for by Jesus dying on the Cross

Each one of those is a flat-out Lie & go against what is actually written in the bible.  I understand most Christians are simply what I call Pew warmers.  They do not read their bible let alone study it.  Instead they just warm the Pews of a Church with their ass once or twice a week and swallow the bullshit that is spoon fed to them by the Preacher / Minister.

As anyone that has followed what I write would no doubt know I have over 23 years of Research into Theology, Science, Metaphysics, Sociology, etc.  For me this isn’t a matter of Faith but one of knowing what the Facts are.

My research has also taken me into areas that dwarf anything mentioned in the bible or any religious text.  I have never been one to sit back and swallow the bullshit people try to feed others.  I am a seeker of truth not a follower of fables.

The First misconception is one that is based on assumptions people make since the bible God states the Israelites were his chosen people so people just assume Adam & Eve would’ve been the first Israelites.  This is false.

The oldest Culture we have record of are the Sumerians.  Where they lived was an area called Sumer which became known as Babylon & is now called Iraq.

The Garden of Eden story was Sumerian not an Israelite one.    The Story of the Epic of Creation was originally written in the Enuma Elish.

A Short Version is here

 http://www.ancienttexts.org/library/mesopotamian/enuma.html

A longer Version is Here

http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/stc/index.htm

In Both this is a Sumerian story not an Israelite one.  In fact the word Israelite comes from the name is 3 Gods.  1 Female & 2 male.

Isis

Ra

El

This is why Israel is spelled as it is.  Is is from Isis an Egyptian Goddess.  Ra is also Egyptian.  Ra was the Sun God.  El was Canaanite.  El was the supreme Deity. 

The Connection to Egyptian Gods doesn’t end there.  In fact Every Christian when they say Amen is Praying to an Egyptian God.  Amen Ra / Amon Ra.  The fact that the vast majority of Christians are completely ignorant of this fact doesn’t lessen the truth of it.

The Second & Third Misconceptions are so Closely connected that I will cover them together.  The First thing to note is the word Freewill doesn’t appear in the Original Sin Story.  This is not the only occurrence of a word not even being in the story but part of the Church told myth.  Another example is the word Sin.  The word Sin doesn’t appear once in the entire story of the Original Sin.

Doesn’t that strike you as mildly strange that a story about Sin wouldn’t contain at least one reference to Sin?  It isn’t until Genesis 4:7 that the word Sin first appears.   This is not even in reference to this story but to the Cain & Able story.

As a bit of a side note the word Sin is the Hebrew word 

H2403

khat-taw-aw’,

From

H2398; an offence (sometimes habitual sinfulness), and its penalty, occasion, sacrifice, or expiation; also (concretely) an offender: – punishment (of sin), purifying (-fication for sin), sin (-ner, offering).

H2398

khaw-taw’

A primitive root; properly to miss; hence (figuratively and generally) to sin; by inference to forfeit, lack, expiate, repent, (causatively) lead astray, condemn: – bear the blame, cleanse, commit [sin], by fault, harm he hath done, loss, miss, (make) offend (-er), offer for sin, purge, purify (self), make reconciliation, (cause, make) sin (-ful, -ness), trespassive

Nowhere in either definition does it specifically refer to the Adam & Eve Fall Story.  While the word Freewill is another very interesting word which doesn’t appear in this story.

The First occurrence of the word Freewill is in Leviticus 22:18

An interesting fact regarding Freewill is that word only occurs 17 Times in the entire bible and not once in the New Testament.  Plus in 16 of those 17 times it is always followed by the same word.  Offering.

Clearly the Freewill of the bible is not Freewill as we think of it in our society.  Instead it is in Offerings to the Gods.  And Yes I typed that correctly the word God in the Hebrew is the word

H430

el-o-heem’

Plural of

H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: – angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.

All cases of the word God come up as the Plural form which is Elohim.  Which means God is a mistranslation and it should be Gods!

H433

‘ĕlôahh ‘ĕlôahh

(The second form is rare); probably prolonged (emphatically) from

H410; a deity or the deity: – God, god. See H430.

As you can see there are other Hebrew words that are connected to it as well but I am not going to list all of them for the sake of time.  It also wouldn’t change the meaning of the original word or the mistranslation.  It is simply something you can check out if you are interested in a deeper study.  If you are interested I would suggest downloading the Esword bible and doing the research yourself.

http://www.e-sword.net/

The link to download it is on the right hand side.

This is the bible I have on my computer and what I use when I write or talk to people online.  Yes I am an Atheist but I will do far more to give you the best study tools of the bible then nearly any Preacher would.  I say nearly because there may be one out there that would that I don’t know about and some Christians would jump on any generalization to try to discredit the whole subject.

However back to the Original Sin Bullshit.

As I had said the story in Genesis 2 & 3 has nothing to do with Freewill or Sin.  And in fact there is a bit of a game I call, Find The Liar.  That I will show for you.

I term it a Game because Christians are told in Church that the Liar was the Serpent.  However this Game is not based on Church Dogma but on what is actually Written.  In this Game the object is as it is written figure out Who Lied.  The Answer to this will be found In the story itself!

First we have God speaking in Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

In this Verse the God is making 1 Statement & 1 Threat.

The Statement from this God is “But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it:”

The Threat from this God is “for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”

Then we have the Serpent.  Christian Preachers will lie and say the Serpent was Satan.  This is Church Dogma not Biblical.  The word Serpent is the Hebrew word

H5175

nâchâsh

From

H5172; a snake (from its hiss): – serpent.

While H 5172 is

H5172

nâchash

A primitive root; properly to hiss, that is, whisper a (magic) spell; generally to prognosticate: – X certainly, divine, enchanter, (use) X enchantment, learn by experience, X indeed, diligently observe.

So based strictly on the bible story we have a Magical Snake!  The Reason for the Serpent aspect is one I will get into at a later time.  But rest assured it has Nothing to do with Satan, The Devil, or Lucifer.

In Genesis 3:4 – 5 the Serpent (The Magical Snake) giving his side.  Here is that in Full.

Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Genesis 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

In that there are 3 Statements from the Serpent.  The Magical talking Snake.

Statement 1 Ye shall not surely die:

Statement 2 in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened.

Statement 3 ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

So God only has One Statement and the Magical Snake has Three.  Let’s see who the liar is.

Genesis 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened

Wow Imagine that in one verse two of the Three Statements of the Serpent were proven true.

1. They did not die.  (Would’ve been a very short bible if they had)

2. And their Eyes were opened.  Exactly what the Serpent said would happen. 

So what about that third.  That can’t be proven true as well. 

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Yet that is exactly what is written!

In this story the Liar is God!  What is also important to note is at no time did the Serpent Threaten Eve in any way.  But the God did.  The use of Threats / Scare Tactics is something which is a common aspect of the bible Gods nature.

I would contend that it is Evil to have to resort to Threats / Scare Tactics.  When you look at the actions of the bible God as a whole one thing which becomes clear is the Nasty Temper this God has.  As well as the Loathing / Contempt for Humans.  Which would raise the question could the Evil figure actually be the God which is claiming to be the Good one.  While the Good figure being the one that steps in only to plant the seed of Freewill.

After all in order to be able to make a choice between Good & Evil one must know what Good & Evil are.  If you have no basis for understanding the difference between Good & Evil then all you have is Stimulus Response.  You don’t really have Freewill.

Which means the Original Sin Christians babble about is the Freewill they think their God gave them but really their God said Freewill was Forbidden!  After all someone who views another as a Slave wouldn’t want that Slave to have Freewill.  But would want to keep that Slave as Stupid as possible.

Is it any wonder that IQ tests show those with the higher IQ tend to be Atheists / Free Thinkers.  While the lower the IQ the more Religious & Superstitious people are!

The Fourth Misconception was about the Apple claim that is common in churches but the word Apple doesn’t appear until the book of Deuteronomy.

The Firth Misconception was that there was no Evil before the fall.  This is false based on simply Logic.  Good & Evil had to both exist because they are part of the dualistic aspect of the Universe.

Good & Evil, Right & Wrong, White & Black, Day & Night, Up & Down, In & Out, Male & Female, etc.  They are also aspects of Cause & Effect.

Additionally if there was No Evil then eating of a Tree wouldn’t give you knowledge of something that didn’t exist.  Evil wasn’t born with a Human eating from a Tree of Knowledge.  If it would’ve been then Humans would’ve brought Evil into existence.  But the bible says God created Evil.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

The Sixth Misconception is one Christians have.  That being that Jesus could pay for their Sins.  This is completely impossible for multiple reasons.

1. The Ritual for the sacrificial Lamb is laid out very clearly in the Old Testament.  This Lamb or Sheep must be killed by a Priest!

2. The Throat of the animal is to be cut and the blood put on the door.

3. The body of the animal is to be eaten!

None of this was done with the Jesus Figure!

To add further insult to Christian Stupidity there is Proverbs 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

This is Christianity through & through!

(He that justifieth the wicked)

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 

(he that condemneth the just)

Matthew 27:4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.

 (even they both are abomination to the LORD)

Christians how do you get that which is an Abomination to your God being the very thing that was his Grand plan for Saving Humanity?  If all it took was a Human Sacrifice why didn’t this God do that from the start? 

Especially since as it is written in Romans 3:28 that is it by Faith and working of the Law.  So you can Rape, Kill, Lie, Steal, Murder, etc so long as you Believe You are Saved!  Where does that show you are Moral?

And lastly a word about Prayer.

I hear this all the time from Christians and honestly this is something that disgusts me to no end.  Let me Spell this out for you real Fucking Clear.  Do Not Pray For Me!

I do not want your Christian VOODOO or Attempts at Casting a Jesus Spell to be directed at me!  I do not care what your intent is.  If you want to Pray that I think like you then are you not trying to Subvert my Freewill to being as You would want?

You do not have the Right to try to Force your Prayers on me!
I am Damn Tempted to start Praying to Satan for You!  How would You like that!

I wouldn’t Ask you but I would Tell You I am!  That there is Nothing You Can Do about it!  Would You like that?  I have Theistic Satanist Friends that I could ask that they do this and I am sure they would.

In Magic terms to Force Your Will on someone else is called Black Magick.  And that is Exactly what you Christians are doing when you Decide on your own that You are Praying For me!

Perhaps I should get my Satanist Friends to Say a Satanic Prayer for You!

See how You Like It!

DO NOT PRAY FOR ME!


One thing I hear from Christians time and time again is one of these offensive things:

1. I Prayed for you – (Past Tense)

2. I am Praying for you – (Current Tense)

3. I will Pray for you – (Future Tense)

 

Christians You may think this is all about your religious freedom however it isn’t.  The reason it isn’t part of Your religious freedom or even your right to pray about stupid shit to your imaginary fiend is because it directly involves Me!

I do not give a flying rats ass what stupid bullshit you wish to babble to your Alien god about.  Really I don’t so long as it doesn’t involve Me!  Exactly why is this so hard for you idiots to grasp?

Here are Seven Reasons why I Don’t want You Praying for Me!
1. Why Do You Have To Mention Me At All To Your Sick Psychopathic Alien God?

I mean Seriously. What the fuck did I ever do to You?

Let’s think about this Logically, yes I know logical thought and Christians is like an Honest Politician (contradiction of terms) however let’s try.

Maybe Just Maybe I would’ve gone unnoticed by your Alien God. After all your Alien God does tend to have problems finding people from time to time.
Genesis 3:9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
Genesis 4:9 And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother?

After all Your God couldn’t keep track of where everyone was when there was only 2 People (Genesis 3:9) or 4 People (Genesis 4:9).  Yet you idiots think this God knows where everyone is now and we are nearly at 7 Billion people?

However You will personally make sure your Alien God knows all about me. Thanks for tossing me under your Alien worshiping bus.
2. Why Do You have to Announce it to the person?

What Do you think you should get a Cookie or Pat on the head for praying for someone? I was under the impression that your Jesus told you assholes to Pray in Secret. That you fucktards aren’t to go around Proclaiming your so-called wonderful works!

Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

Yea I know expecting a Christian to know their own bible or actually do what their Jesus said is such a silly thing.

3. Is Asking Someone for Permission to do something which directly pertains to them before you do it too much to ask?

I know this may seem like a petty thing but seriously I don’t go around Thinking for you. Don’t You go around Praying for me! I’m not like Christopher Hitchens in this way. I don’t want Christians wasting their prayers on me.

Not only do I find their God to be lacking in all evidence that it actually exists but even if it did I wouldn’t follow it.  No more then I would follow a Hitler, Pol Pot Or Kim Jong Ill and we can Prove beyond any shadow of doubt that those idiots / tyrants existed.

Existence doesn’t equal good or right!

4. How do I know You weren’t doing the Tattling like a child crap?

None of you ever tell me What you said about me in your Prayer. You don’t give me a copy of the Prayer so I know exactly what crap you were saying. To be well I prayed for nice things to happen to you.  Really nice things?  This from someone who believes it is Justice to Endlessly Torture someone for not Thinking as you do.  I am to trust what You think Nice things are?
5. Isn’t Prayer really just Christian Magic Spells?

After all if you seriously believe that Your Prayers can bring about some change in a person’s life, thinking or world event how is this any different from someone trying to cast spells to bring about the changes they want?

Let’s think about this logically, If your Prayers are not some kind of attempt from you to change things or people to fit your ideas / will then why waste your time doing it? If it is an attempt to try to bring about a change to fit your wishes then by praying you are attempting to do a type of magic. Casting a Jesus spell to try to generate the desired outcome you have in mind.
6. Aren’t there better things for your Magical Prayers to be on other them Me? Like War, Starving Children, Disease?

Perhaps if you idiots would be able to show Evidence that your Prayers mean a damn thing some people would actually be interested in your Christian Voodoo.
7. Isn’t Your Praying for Me against my will really an attempt to Subvert My Freewill?
You People want to babble about Freewill and how we are here to make some grand choice between a God and a Satan.  Yet when you Pray for Me are you not trying to Subvert my Freewill to cause Your God to Make me Think Like You?

If your Prayers aren’t an attempt by you to get your God to alter my thoughts in the manner you wish then what exactly is the point?  If your God only Blesses those that believe in his bastard kid then why would you even bother asking for anything nice to happen to me since according to your bullshit your God calls me an Enemy simply because I do not Think the right thoughts!

Don’t try and Cast a Jesus Spell on Me!