Recently a Christian Posted this story on Empire Avenue Discussion Form but when I attempted to actually have a Discussion on the subject he got pissy about it never addressing the issues I raised.
Here is the Story as it appears in the King James Bible.
Matthew 22:2 – 14
The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them. But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen.
As far as Parables from the bible go this one has got to be among the most clearly evil of them all. Yet People like John Kampen clearly think this is a wonderful story.
Now that you are aware of what this story is let me break this down for you to show why this King is Evil & how this is clearly a Set up.
In Verse 2 it clearly Establishes the “Kingdom of Heaven” is like this King that arranged / made a Marriage for his Son. So right from the start we are being told this is what Heaven is like. Keep that in mind.
Then the story goes on to talk about all of the Animals Slaughtered for this wedding and how the Guests were invited to come. However the first snag in the story comes when those original Guests laughed at it and made jokes about it. It then has these guest killing the messengers inviting them.
Clearly this is a bit harsh of a reaction but it does relate to the real world in the sense that Christian Missionaries have been killed for preaching their Gospel in countries that don’t want to hear their shit. However the moral of that story is keep your ideas to yourself. Especially when visiting another country that has different beliefs. After all Christians let’s be realistic shall we. You wouldn’t appreciate a Muslim, Buddhist or Hindu trying to cram their religion down your throat and telling you how you must believe this. So why should they appreciate that same thing from you? After all you can no more prove your ideas / beliefs are true then they can. So there really is no point in trying to say how you are right and they are wrong when neither of you have the slightest Evidence supporting your position.
However back to this story.
Then this King (Which is the God) is pissed at what happened. Now even though it doesn’t say this King is all-knowing, if it is the God then logically it would’ve known what would happen too these messengers when they went out to gather the guests. So Morally he would be at least partly to blame knowing he was sending them to certain death.
However this King turns around and sends his Army to Kill those people and burn their Cities. This is not just an Eye for an Eye but more like an Eye for your entire Head. Talk about going far beyond simple Revenge. Yea I know Brutal on both sides.
Then we have what has to be the greatest example of someone putting their own Spin on the situation. “The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.”
Not the Wedding is Ready but they which were bidden weren’t interested. Oh No can’t say that even though that is the Truth. Have to make it that they weren’t worthy. Although a Logical person would ask, “If they weren’t worthy in the first place why were they invited?” Their being worthy or not doesn’t get mentioned until after they aren’t interested so this is called Saving Face!
Then this King still has the problem of having no guests at this Wedding and all this food he had prepared. So this King tells his Servants (Slaves) to go out and find as many as they can both bad and good and tell them to come to this Wedding.
Note: Both Bad & Good were gathered. Now if this is Heaven there is a clear problem since according to Christian Bullshit only those that are “Saved” will go to Heaven.
Notice at no time does this King say word one about a Dress Code for this Wedding. He simply instructs his Servants (Slaves) to go and find guests. After all he has all this food he doesn’t want it to go to waste.
Well the Wedding ends up with lots of guests. But then this King finds a man who isn’t wearing what he now wants people to wear. And he asks him, “How camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment?”
Well first of all this man had not planned on going to a wedding. He was just out on the street and these servants of the King found him and invited him to this Wedding. They didn’t tell him, “Oh yea by the way you will need to be wearing a Wedding Garment.” Nope no mention of the Dress Code prior to this.
Obviously the man was speechless. After all there are some levels of Stupid that all one can do is stand in shock. This would definitely be one such time because this is about as stupid as it gets. This is also what is called a “Set Up”.
Then this King says, “Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen.”
So the Moral of this story is this King (God) will withhold vital information about what he requires and if you happen to not meet the requirements (Which you don’t know about) then you are to be Tortured Endlessly.
Wow that is some sadistic story.
In light of how this King behaved at the end is it really a big surprise that the original guests Laughed at the invitation to this Wedding? They would’ve clearly known how much of an Asshole this King really was. Hell maybe they didn’t have any Wedding Garments and knew what this Sadistic King would do to those without the proper clothes so they Laughed at the idea of going to this wedding.
So if this is what Heaven for the Christian is like I honestly don’t know how they can be thinking it will be so wonderful. After all based on this Story you will not be told before hand about all of the requirements that are there. If by chance you happen to not meet one of the requirements that weren’t mentioned at all then you will be cast into Hell?
After all remember what has to be the most disgusting line in this whole story. “For Many are Called but few are Chosen.”
Christians let me ask you this, “Which are You? Called or Chosen and what is the Evidence you use to determine this?” After all clearly your Faith doesn’t mean shit. It is all about are you Called or Chosen and you better know which one you are or else you are going to face the wrath of your God regardless of what you Think now!
Living in an environment where you have to walk on eggshells afraid of someone getting pissed off over stupid shit. That reminds me far to much of what my childhood was like and that was a hell I don’t care to repeat let alone be in that forever. I know myself well enough that I know, One temper tantrum from this God and I would be tearing this shitball a new ass from one corner of Heaven to the other. It wouldn’t even matter if it was directed at someone else. If I see stupid abusive shit I am not going to sit back and be “Well at least it isn’t me”. Which is what i think most Christians would really do. They wouldn’t stand up for what is right, moral or ethical but only be thinking, “As long as I am safe I don’t care”.
When people hear I am an Atheist I regularly get hit with a whole laundry list of arguments for the existence of God. Typically this is the Christian God which people are attempting to assert exists.
However with even the most devout Theist the argument they attempt to use is not a Theistic one at all but a Deistic one. This really shows me that they do not grasp even the most basic aspect of what they are professing to believe.
This ignorance regarding the subject matter isn’t something I hold against them but one that I do point out in my refuting of their so called compelling evidence / argument for their God. What it really boils down to with most people is their God is a figment of their own imagination. This is why their God always approves of whatever fucked up bullshit they personally want to do. While being against anything they don’t like.
This is really nothing more then trying to impose your ideas / values / perceptions on others by calling it God and not being honest and saying it is what You think. It is also intellectually dishonest as hell to try and assert the existence of something to which you have no logical or even probable reason for concluding such even exists. So what if You think it does. Why should that mean a damn thing to me? You may think smoking Pot is a great past time even though all companies worth a damn any more do random drug tests and doing that shit can directly impact your job / income & subsequently your entire life.
Here are a list of the most common arguments for the existence of God and why each one of them Fails.
1. The Fine Tuned Aspect of the Universe – This is a Classic example of a Logical Fallacy. This argument is drawing the conclusion that a God exists on the fact that the Universe exists and that life in the Universe exists. Just because the Universe & Life exist doesn’t mean there is an automatic win for the existence of a God. Especially when you want to assert as all Christians, Muslims & Jews do that their God Personally takes an interest in their lives and their behaviors.
2. The Earth being the Perfect Distance from the Sun – This is yet another example of the same type of Logical Fallacy as the first. Just because Life exists doesn’t magically mean your invisible friend exists. The attempts to try and defend these Classic Logical Fallacies always have the Theist trying to use Deistic arguments not realizing that even if a Deistic God would be proven true that this wouldn’t advance their claim of a personal God at all.
3. The Atheist can’t Prove God doesn’t exist so this means God Exists – This is one Atheists hear a lot and it has to be among the absolute dumbest reasons to believe in God. This argument is showing that the person doesn’t grasp who has the burden of proof. If I assert that I can Fly or Walk on Water yet offer no evidence to support this claim then you are not required to accept my assertion just because I said it. It is the one making the assertion that something exists or that they can do something to prove their statements are true.
After all I could say to you that, “You are not watching me every second of everyday so how do you know I don’t fly or walk on water when you are not watching me?” This would be no different then the Christians assertion that, “You don’t know what exists in All of the Universe so you can’t say God doesn’t exist.”
Without a reason / evidence to believe a claim is true there is no reason to assume it is. So it is logical to say that such doesn’t exist or is impossible until evidence is presented to show otherwise.
4. Even if Aliens Genetically Manipulated Life on this planet to bring about Humans who made the Aliens – This argument is one I hear a lot because of what I point out with the Sumerians. However this is completely irrelevant on multiple levels.
A. These same people will try to point to either the Bible or Jesus and both are completely dependent upon the basis of the Sumerian epic of creation as well as influences from the Egyptians as well as other cultures.
B. The question of how an Alien race came into being is something we can’t answer since we do not know where their Planet is or what their History is. It also has no bearing on the subject of a God unless they could show Evidence for their God creating the Alien.
C. These same people will buy into the we were made in God’s image idea. If this would be true and Aliens Genetically Manipulated us then Logically your God is that Alien race not some force that is behind the Universe or The Aliens creator.
5. The Force Behind the Universe Claim – This one is popular now because of Quantum Physics however this doesn’t help Theism at all. This is strictly a Deistic idea and one that a Theist has no place even attempting to use.
This one is also invalid because even if some Force or Cosmic Source would exist this wouldn’t mean that it would give a Damn about You, Me or Anyone let alone what behaviors we have or Sexual Lifestyle we enjoy. Additionally a Force or Cosmic Source wouldn’t even be what we would consider to be a Lifeform so the idea that it is a God thing is stretching the idea of a God to an absurd degree.
6. The idea that to believe God exists and find out there isn’t one is better then not believing in God and finding out God exists – This is the Pascal’s Wager argument. Of all of the examples of Christian Stupidity this one has to take the cake. I realize Christians don’t like to be told they are stupid but this argument is so damn dumb I can’t help it.
The Reasons Pascal’s Wager Fails are:
A. This is assuming the odds are just 50/50. Either there is a God or there isn’t. However this is simply not the case. There have been over 4,000 Gods worshiped in Human History. Which means the Odds of being right just from the number of Gods alone are over 4,000 to 1.
B. This is also completely ignoring the All Knowing idea regarding the Christian God. If that God is real and is All Knowing then it would know you are simply trying to fain belief in order to save your own selfish ass.
C. You can’t simply Believe something just because someone says it. If this were possible then people would honestly believe in Invisible, Magical, Flying Blue Smurfs just because someone says they exist.
This also ties in with the Question I had asked of If you believe in God why don’t you believe in Odin, Zeus, Thor, Etc. The answer I got was word for word for what the Atheist says about the Christian God as well as all Gods. “Because there is no evidence any of them actually exist.”
D. If the only reason you are good is to try and avoid some afterlife location that is not Moral or Noble that is simply Sucking up. Your Entire Motivation behind why you act as you do would also be known to an All Knowing God.
E. If the God is All Knowing and created some for Damnation & some for Glory (Romans 9:21 – 23) then the choices you think you are making are really not anything this All Knowing God wouldn’t have known you would make. Which means your idea of having Freewill is actually an Illusion you have because You do not know the future. However Your lack of knowledge about the future doesn’t magically mean that you have Freewill if there is something which does know the Future.
The Bible is no more Evidence of any God then Superman Comics are evidence of Superman. You can’t use that which is making the claim as evidence for the existence of that which is claimed.
8. If there is anything that the Atheist / Science can’t explain then that means God did it – This is called a God of the Gaps mindset and one that is a very slippery slope to try and base your God on because the more we learn through science the less room there is for your God.
9. Nothing can come from Nothing / Something can’t come from Nothing so this means God Exists – This is not a Math issue this is simply an argument from Ignorance.
After all if you believe a God exists at all then that means this God is by definition “Something” which means that what you are calling God can’t have come from Nothing. By the same token if we are so complex as to require a creator then the God which is more complex then we are would also have to have a Creator which raises the question who made your God?
Simply put this means your God had to have a Creator and that Creator had to have a Creator and so on infinitely. After all Something can’t come from Nothing.
After all if you go by Quantum Physics what we call nothing isn’t really Nothing but Infinite Quantum Potential. The idea brought forward in M Theory makes far more sense then the whole God notion. That being that there are an Infinite number of Universe bubbles and when two touch they make a Third Universe. Since we do not know how many Universe Bubbles there are it is impossible to say how many exist which can’t support life at all.
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Since the most popular post for me so far has been my follow-up to the 10 questions I want to see how this one goes. These questions by their very nature are much deeper in thought.
The purpose of these questions is to provoke you to thinking on a deeper level. Perhaps on a deeper level then you have ever thought before. I realize the religious will try to answer these from the mindset of their religious beliefs. However they are phrased in a way as to make quoting from a bible or a so-called holy book difficult if not impossible.
Just saying well the bible says so is really not an answer. The reason the bible says so is not an answer is no Christian, Muslim or Jew would accept, “Well this is what the Sumerians or Egyptians wrote so that proves it is true.”
Since no Christian would accept as fact the claims of another religion because it is what their book says then you can’t use that as evidence for what you believe. To try to do this is trying to have a double standard. While you may like your double standard because it benefits you there is no logical reason why anyone else should like your double standard.
If you as a Christian, Muslim or Jew want to use your so-called holy book as evidence then you must first provide reasons why that holy book is reliable evidence. It is important to realize Circular Reasoning doesn’t prove your claim. Here is an example of Circular reasoning.
1. How did the Universe come into being? (Be as Specific as Possible)
2. How did Life on this Planet begin? (Be as Specific as Possible)
3. How did Human Life begin? (Be as Specific as Possible)
4. Do you accept the possibility of Aliens having been on Earth in the Ancient world?
5. Define as clearly as you can what you believe God would be like. What makes something a God?
6. What matters most in life the beliefs people have about a God or how they treat each other & live their life?
7. Since Life is not based on All or Nothing why should an afterlife be based on All or Nothing? (For Atheists Assume for the moment an afterlife does exist)
8. Do you accept the idea presented by Quantum Physics of Multiple Dimensions? That there are 10+ Dimensions?
9. Is there anything someone could say that would convince you their religion or lack there of is true?
10. Why should anyone believe in your religion or lack there of?
Bonus Question: What is the Meaning of Life? Not just your personal life but all life.
This last is completely subjective and is intended only to get you to think about the grand picture of life.
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Back when I was in my 20’s I had a thought enter my mind that simply made no logical sense to me. I knew this wasn’t something that was just a random thought in my head because every part of my logical mind was immediately at war with it. That thought was simply this, “Good and Evil are aspects of this realm only.”
Regardless of if you are religious or not this idea seems to be completely at odds with everything we are conditioned from birth to think. However think about this for a moment. The biggest mistake I was making that I bet everyone will as soon as they see this is I tried to make sense of it from the basis of my experiences. As we do everything in life. However from within this realm or dimension of existence Good & Evil are very real things. It isn’t that this is impossible for us to prove true or false but it is something that to prove it requires another piece of the cosmic puzzle. That piece being Vibration.
Since I couldn’t make sense in my own head how, “Good & Evil are aspects of this realm only” I wasn’t going to go talking about this to anyone. I simply stored it in the back of my head along with all the other things that are not really useful in life. You know those interesting but really pointless facts that we run into in life.
It was about a year ago the idea came to my mind about vibration and human emotions. I did some research into this and made an interesting discovery. That being that our Emotions change the rate at which we are vibrating. The idea that we are always vibrating or that all matter vibrates all the time is something I didn’t realize.
However just the thought of emotion & vibration brought about some very interesting findings. One of them being the Musical scale is not something that was invented but more discovered. The musical scale didn’t magically come into being when we realized what it was. Like electricity it was simply always here we just were too stupid to realize for a long time.
The same is true with vibration. Quantum Physics has proven to us that we are Vibrational beings living in a Vibrational Universe. Everything in the Universe from the smallest Quark to the largest structure is in a constant state of vibration. Vibration is what can cause crystal to shatter.
Unlike non living matter that vibrates at a constant rate our vibration changes as our emotions and mood change. If someone has negative thoughts what they will attract is negative. Like Attracts like. The opposite is also true if someone is positive they will attract things that are positive.
I am sure you have heard the expression, “You’re bringing me down.” This is said to someone who is being negative to someone who is positive. The Negative mood / thoughts of others causes them to vibrate at a slower rate. When you are around someone the rate at which they are vibrating will effect you. This can be why some con artists / cult leaders are able to win people’s confidence.
It isn’t that what they are attempting to do is positive but their thoughts and focus is on a positive, albeit fantasy / impossible outcome. The con artist must for the period of time that they are trying to deceive someone really believe what they are saying and be acting in a positive manner. If someone knows they are full of shit and just tries to push on to get the sale or do the scam their own doubts or negative thoughts on it will directly impact what other people pick up from them.
The saying if something sounds to good to be true it probably is. Can be a way to protect yourself from attempts to con you. Learning to control your own emotions will have very positive effects on your life. The biggest being a peaceful / relaxed frame of mind. The moments of Drama being in your life will radically cease replaced by feelings of peace and tranquility.
Meditation can be a very helpful means to learn how to control and focus your emotions. The way I learned to meditate is actually a bit strange because I hadn’t grown up around anyone that did this. I was raised around Christianity and Meditation is not something that is pushed or even mentioned. At least it wasn’t with me.
The First time I meditated I had felt directed by what I had termed the “Divine” to sit down outside. It was at night and everyone in my family was sleeping. I felt directed to close my eyes and just clear my thoughts.
I will admit getting my mind to stop random thoughts was difficult. I would be fine for a bit then a thought would come in and I’d have to just let it go. Over time this became easier. When I looked into Buddhism I came across the term, “Silencing the Mad Monkey of the Mind” I had liked this term because that is what the mind seems like at first. An Insane monkey that is determined to keep random thoughts going.
One thing about having to figure this shit out for yourself is it can take years before the next piece of the puzzle falls into place. The biggest break through actually came when a friend of mine suggested I meditate in his hot tub.
He matched the temperature of the hot tub to the 98.6 degrees of my body. Then I floated in the hot tub and just did the meditation like I normally would. Now I could hear the sound of the hot tub motor but that didn’t effect my meditation at all. I’d learned to tune out what amounts to white noise.
After a few minutes I heard a female voice ask me, “Why are you seeking us outside of you? We are in you, around you & part of you. You’re not separate from anything but one with it.”
Then when my head moved down slightly and I felt water touch my mouth I opened my eyes and sat up. My friend was there drinking a beer and smoking a cigarette. When he saw me he asked what it was like.
I told him what I heard and he had said that the experience is different for everyone. I asked how long I was motionless. To me it felt like a few minutes. He told me a half hour. I was stunned.
Even when I was talking to my friend and smoking a cigarette myself I still felt like some doors of perception in my mind were still open. It was the weirdest feeling I ever had. That actually lasted a few days after that night.
I’ve never been one that liked drugs. I had tried pot when I was a teenager and frankly hated it. It felt like my mind was caged and I just loathed that feeling. But what I felt from that hot tub experience was the exact opposite.
This was something I kept in the back of my mind not really sure if I wanted to talk about this in a public kind of way or not. But over the past few days I have felt nudged more and more to not responding with anger at the comments by Christians. I care about people a lot but the feeling has been one of, “This is serving no purpose. Let it go.”
I realize many may cling to the programming of religion and the fear. There is nothing I can do about that. Each person must choose their own path. Those who wish to focus on negativity will attract that to themself.
In writing this I had looked to see is this aspect of vibration actually supported by real science. My thought was not for the Christians, Muslims or Jews at all but the Atheists, Agnostics, Native Americans, Buddhists, etc. Those who would be open to things that can be proven with science to be real.
What I found is Yes there is real Science that supports this idea. I am going to give a few links but I also want to say one word of warning. While I can see the scientific aspects of this I have also gotten the whiff of some potential bullshit mixed in. As with everything I advise people to not accept anything on face value unless it can be proven.
I do understand the thought from in my 20’s of “Good & Evil are aspects of this realm only.” What it comes down to is this. Outside of this physical realm Good & Evil as we think of them do not exist. The higher dimensions of existence are about the positive. That anyone that is vibrating at a lower (Negative) rate has not evolved to the point of moving on. So they will simply reincarnate until they learn to not dwell on the negative.
Time means nothing to that which is beyond this existence. I can understand this may seem a bit mystical for some Atheists, Agnostics & Skeptics. The best thing I can say is test the parts of this that you can and see what results you get.
I would encourage anyone to try the hot tub test like I did. Don’t go in with any expectations just relax and clear your mind. You can also test for yourself what intentionally keeping your thoughts positive does for your life. The results I have gotten should be the same you get in this regard. Positive thoughts attract positive situations. The Atheist side of me will always push me to prove what I say.
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There are many types of Justification that Christians will try to use to excuse the concept of Hell. The most common one is asking, “Well doesn’t evil need to be punished?” Or Equating Hell to Prisons.
There are many reasons why this twisted type of logic fails. Here are the Top Ten reasons Hell as a Punishment Fails. Where is Paul Schaffer when ya need him?
Top 10 Reasons Hell as a Punishment Fails
10. The Eighth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution prohibits the federal government from imposing cruel and unusual punishment for federal crimes. The amendment states, “Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishment inflicted.”
Are Humans better then a God?
9. Is the Lack of Belief now a Crime to Christians that they feel needs to be Punished just like Murder? – To say Hell is a Punishment yet one can (According to Christian Dogma) go to Hell for simply not believing (Thinking) Jesus was God! This is Classic Thought Crime!
8. Torture Teaches Nothing! – There is No Moral or Lesson behind the Torture of another person for any reason! In fact resorting to torture shows a complete lack of Morals & Ethics on the part of the Torturer!
7. Torture Changes Nothing! – While it is true that someone who is tortured will after a while say, “Anything” or Do “Anything” to get the torture to end. However if nothing can make it end then it is simply Sadism and Evil in its purest form!
6. Torture Proves Nothing! – Any “Punishment” that does not end is Not Punishment but only Sadism for the sake of Sadism!
5. You do not show that you are better than a Hitler by acting Just Like A Hitler! – You do not show Love by acting in an Unloving manner! This entire notion is what causes me to conclude that Christians & Muslims are without a doubt the Purest form of Evil this world has ever seen. You simply do not show that you have Morals by Praising behavior that is by its very nature absolutely Immoral!
4. Torture Destroys the Humanity of the Torturer!
“Three Marines in Mahmudiya used an electric transformer, forcing a detainee to ‘dance’ as the electricity coursed through him.”
International Committee of the Red Cross, February 2004
A former Iraqi general “died of asphyxiation after being stuffed head-first into a sleeping bag … at an American base in Al Asad.”
The New York Times, October 23, 2005
“Al-Qatani was forced to perform dog tricks on a leash, was straddled by a female interrogator, forced to dance with a male interrogator, told that his mother and sister were whores, forced to wear a woman’s bra and thong on his head during interrogation, and subjected to an unmuzzled dog to scare him.”
Newsweek, November 21, 2005
This says far More about the Evil nature of the Torturer then the one being Tortured! Only someone who is Pure Evil could Laugh at the suffering of another! Yet that is Exactly what the God Christians Worship & Praise does!
3. Torture Dehumanizes / Makes the person Subhuman – Christians regularly say, “What about someone who is Evil and will always be Evil.” Well Christians name for me One Person that was “Born Evil & was Always Evil?”
I would contend that No One is Born Evil despite the Dehumanizing nature of Christianity. No One is Born Guilty of the actions of anyone else! The manner in which a person behaves is directly related to the conditions they experience in their life or A Mental Illness they had from birth (Which Christians is not their Fault but Ultimately the Fault of Your God for Fucking Up and Not Magically Fixing the Mental Illness!)
2. The Doctrine of Salvation Undermines Any delusion of Justice! Here is a Video that shows just how Evil and Disgusting the concept of Salvation really is!
This is Not Justice! This doesn’t Teach Anything!
This is Just Scapegoating! And You Christians Praise and Worship This!
1. The Law of Vibration – Everything in the Universe is made up of Vibration. The source of vibration is what some have called God. However this is Not the God of the bible as the God of the bible clearly separates itself from anyone that doesn’t love it. Where as the real Source can’t be separate from anyone or anything because everyone and everything is part of the source.
This was proved in a very unethical experiment done a few years ago. This is disgusting but it does prove beyond a shadow of doubt that everything in this world is connected. Even though we are not consciously aware of it!
A mother rabbit was taken down into a submarine and one of its babies was kept in a laboratory thousands of miles away. The mother rabbit was hooked up to sophisticated equipment that measured the brain waves (brains rate of vibration measured in Hertz Hz) to determine her reaction to the upcoming experiment.
The scientists in the laboratory then killed the baby rabbit and observed the brain waves (Hz) of the mother rabbit which went absolutely haywire at precisely the same time even though they were thousands of miles apart!
We are really Vibrational Beings living in a Vibrational Universe. It is absolutely Impossible to separate the Source of all Vibration from anything that exists! Quantum Physics is doing far more to help us understand and connect with the Source of all that is then Religion ever dreamed to!
The Abrahamic God is fiction because it tries to separate itself from everything else. The idea that Christians go to of Hell is Separation from God. Simply put you are Stupid! That is not a personal attack that is simply stating the truth!
You are Stupid for thinking that the Source of all that is could be Separated from anything that is! This would be like you saying your Hand or Foot is Separate from you.
The idea of Oneness that is expressed in Buddhism is really what is going on in the Universe. While the Christian version of that is an abomination to true Oneness. Oneness with Source is Not something that only one person could have because of some bullshit divine linage. We Are All One! Collectively Linked to each other and to the Source through the Vibrational nature of existence!
The idea of Hell is Impossible because the Source of all that exists is not about hate towards any part of what is but unconditional love towards all that is. Unconditional means without Condition. This is why Religions that seek to make the path to God (Religious speak) something which you must do X, Y & Z in order to have it simply Fails!
They Fail to understand the true Essence of the Universe they live in and the Source of that! Life isn’t about Hate towards those that are Different from you but the Love of all despite the differences between you!
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What is the Reason For:
1. A Child Being Abused / Molested?
2. A Woman / Wife Being Abused / Raped?
3. Over 1 Million Children A Year Starving To Death?
4. Children being born with Major Deformities or Hooked On Drugs?
5. The Vicious Murder of an Atheist, Homosexual, or Anyone?
6. A Parent Killing Their Child?
7. Natural Disasters That Kill Lots of People?
8. Religious People That Are Quick To Engage In Violence To Defend Their “Peaceful / Loving” Beliefs?
9. A Person Getting An Incurable Disease?
10. War, Genocide, Torture & The Mutilation of Baby Genitals?
To claim that a God Exists and cares about Human suffering / Human’s at all yet does nothing to stop any of this is an insult to our intelligence!
For Theists to say there is no answer for this but that this isn’t proof a God doesn’t exist is being rather hypocritical. After all if you want to use a God of the Gaps type of twisted logic to try and squeeze your God into any hole that currently exists in science. Then a hole in why evil things occur and no God does anything must be proof that none exists!
After all if some magical being would exist and would care about people so much for it to sit back and do nothing while all this horrible stuff happens and people cry for help would make this being the most evil and vile being that could exist! After all what parent could really sit back seeing & hearing their child suffering horribly and do nothing to help them? If you want to call this God the ultimate parent then damn it where is its parental nature?
I can explain why these things happen but the answer is not one that will fit with a belief in a Personal God. The only kind of God that could possibly exist with the explanation I will give is a Deistic / Impersonal God! The Reason these things happen is simple. People make choices and those choices do sometimes cause the mistreatment of others.
Only a few can be called things that weren’t dependant upon choices that another person made and those things are simply Natural Random events or the Genetic roll of the dice. It doesn’t mean a God is mad at you or that you are a horrible person. All it means is you had a bad roll of the genetic dice or natural disaster.
In all cases Prayer to a cosmic Genie is not only a complete waste of time but counter productive when prayer / wishful dreaming can keep people from taking advantage of the medicine & treatments available!
One such example of this was a recent discussion I had on IMVU with a woman that I wasn’t interested in debating religion in the slightest. The name of that Avatar is called Sinfully Amazing. We were in a room I made and I happened to be sitting on an Atheist Chair that I had just happened to make white with a black A. This woman remarked that she liked that chair so me being the gentleman I moved to the one beside it and said, “Oh yes that is the Atheist Chair.” I also did add that I am an Atheist. Note this was not meant to spark any kind of debate / discussion about fantasy magical beings.
Well this woman said she was Catholic. Then added what has to be the absolute dumbest reason for adopting a label that could possibly exist. That being because she was raised Catholic. Even though I didn’t want to get into a debate on the God bullshit I knew I couldn’t not comment on it.
What I said was, “So you believe in a Sadistical Magical being because that’s what you were told to believe?”
To which she had said, “I don’t believe God is Sadistical.”
At this point I was in a position of in for a penny might as well go in for a pound. I then asked, “If the only way a parent can forgive is via the human sacrifice of their child wouldn’t you call that Sadistical? Or Isn’t Think as I demand or be tortured Sadistical?”
Instead of answering these questions she shifted to a completely different justification attempt. That being the desire to see some relative that died again. I do want to point out that the avoidance of questions that the theist can’t honestly answer in a way that makes their fantasy God look nice and sweet is common. However this always leads to a more hostile approach or at the very least one rooted in emotion not logic.
Now looking back on it I guess I could’ve just let this woman have whatever fantasy she wanted just to get away from this bullshit. However once I am in logical, intellectual & philosophical mode it can be tough for me to snap out of that. Not to mention the mountain of logical questions / counter points flood my mind so rapidly often times I speak or in this case type a response without actually thinking.
I said, “Just because you want something to be true doesn’t mean it is.” Then adding, “Like you I have lost those who were close to me and a part of me would love to see them again. However the logical part of me knows this is simply not possible. You are far from the only person that has lost those you love.”
Now to be fair I know this is hitting below the belt because the wish to see some lost loved one again is an emotional justification not a logical one. However I didn’t get totally metaphysical on her with this explaining that even if something exists beyond this physical that we can’t definitively prove with science the idea of a loved one being just like they were in life is simply illogical. The way we are in life is based entirely upon the experiences, culture & time period we happen to be born into. If something transcends death there simply is no logical reason to assume that it would continue to think, reason & behave just as the person did in their physical life. Adding of course that there is no way a person would retain the physical appearance they had in life in some energy form. Since the physical appearance we have is based entirely upon the DNA of our mother and father.
To which I heard something like she believes in God in the nice parts. Which lead me to again respond without thought with, “I never knew belief in God was like a Fast Food Menu. Make Your God Your Way.”
As you can no doubt tell I was in full Atheist mode dealing with a Theist. However then I heard something which really made the Scientific & Atheist part of me go completely bonkers.
She actually said, “You are preaching to the choir.” She then added how she was a nurse and regularly saw people protesting outside the clinic she worked at.
To which I had immediately said, “Those would be Christian’s” Which she agreed but must have failed to realize Catholic is a flavor of Christianity.
At this point I was a bit confused because I was hearing this woman talking about understanding science but yet clinging to an idea that is completely non scientific in nature. I think it was at this point when I asked, “Do you seriously believe the Universe was magically poofed into being?”
This did make her inquire what I meant to which I had added, “The idea that a Magical God caused the Universe to appear from Nothing all on a whim.”
By this point she had degraded into full, (I must defend my God) mode. Which really strikes me as strange given if this God is so all knowing and so powerful why would it need defended by some mere religious believer.
She had asked if I was trying to convert her and I said, “Atheist’s don’t care about conversion since there is nothing to convert to. All I want to do is to cause you to stop and think.”
However this was clearly making her uncomfortable since what I was raising were problems in the God notion that she simply couldn’t explain away. Which means anger is the next emotion to spring forward since honestly she had nothing else. To try and argue a literal bible idea as to why is simply foolish given I had raise things which made it impossible to defend the God and still be fully aware of science.
What surprised me in all of this was how I remained perfectly calm and simply pointed out the flaws in theistic logic. Yet more and more what I got was growing anger and resentment.
This was really not what I had wanted to have happen but I couldn’t see a way out of this situation with her in fully Defend the God notion and me in full Let’s be logical mode.
In the end she left the conversation and I felt completely disgusted since IMVU is not the place where I try to engage in deep conversations. Simply speaking that type of thing is just not fitting for that environment. Yet when I encounter dumb I can’t help but try and get the person to think. Which does lead to defend the beliefs even when the beliefs are completely wacky.